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Date: 2004-06-21 09:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] djinnthespazz.livejournal.com
Heh. Wish I had time to decode this.

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;)

Date: 2004-06-21 10:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] djinnthespazz.livejournal.com
don't have time to play that, even.
sigh.

work work work...
back to it...

Date: 2004-06-21 09:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hangingfire.livejournal.com
You're absolutely right. :)

Date: 2004-06-21 09:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] la-directora.livejournal.com
Which almost makes you wonder if, with the internet, librarians will eventually become obsolete. (Other than dealing with things like rare books, of course. I meant rather as sources of information.)

Nope...

Date: 2004-06-21 10:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kcarp.livejournal.com
Someone still has to be able to TEACH folks how to access the information.

I'd go into more detail, but I need more sleep first.

K

Re: Nope...

Date: 2004-06-21 11:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mcroft.livejournal.com
I'd be really interested in seeing a sociology of gender book or paper (pop-soc, if it's a book. IANAS.) that went into the transition of the librarian position from a position dealing with books to a position dealing with information and the ways in which that has affected the "pink collar" association of librarian as a woman's job.

Re: Nope...

Date: 2004-06-23 08:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnbrandon.livejournal.com
Well, speaking as an actual, card carrying librarian, I think I can help with these sorts of things :)

First, the Internet is not going to eliminate librarians. There were all sorts of death knells for the profession at first, but then someone finally realized an age old truth; It doesn't help to have all the information in the world if you are just going to place it in a random pile. Librarians are the people who are actually good at *organizing* information. I had a cataloging teacher in Library school who liked to hang out with cutting edge Comp Sci people, just so she could hear their latest ideas on organizing online content. She's sit there and look vastly impressed and then say, something like 'Wow, you managed to come up with an idea all on your own that Monks in Europe have been using for centuries. They even ironed out that problem you're still struggling with by doing this _________. Yeah, they got that all out of the way back in the 16th century. I can give you some references if that would help . . . ." Places like Google and the corporate world are snapping up Library school grads at such a pace that Public libraries are having a hard time keeping positions staffed. Its really amazing. Teaching can be an important aspect of being a librarian, but really its more a side line than the main show. However, since they created the methods for organizing the info., librarians tend to be the ones who have to explain it to others.

As for the sexual identity of the profession, the idea of it being a pink collar position are relatively recent and almost exclusively an American innovation. Melville Dewey (as in the Dewey Decimal system) noticed in the late-ish 1800s that there were suddenly a large increase of educated women in America who couldn't get jobs and were not suited by education (and, he believed, temperment) for the more 'traditional' roles available to women. He reasoned that he could hire them, at reduced salaries compared to men, and train them in his systems and they wouldn't have the gumption to argue with him (proving beyond all shadow of a doubt that Dewey knew books, but hadn't a freakin' clue about women). In places like Europe, Library's are primarily staffed my men. THe transition you are curious about is going on, but in the US, the stats are still something like 4 out of every 5 people in the profession are female to male.

Sorry, who knew I was paying attention in all of those basic grad school courses :)

Brandon

Translations upon demand?

Date: 2004-06-21 09:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mtfierce.livejournal.com
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Re: Translations upon demand?

Date: 2004-06-21 09:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mcroft.livejournal.com
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Re: Translations upon demand?

Date: 2004-06-21 10:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greeneyes-rpi.livejournal.com
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Re: Translations upon demand?

Date: 2004-06-21 11:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mcroft.livejournal.com
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Re: Translations upon demand?

Date: 2004-06-21 11:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greeneyes-rpi.livejournal.com
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From: [identity profile] shadowflyer.livejournal.com
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From: [identity profile] lintra.livejournal.com
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Date: 2004-06-21 12:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrkamikaze.livejournal.com
Cute, think of that yourself?

Ooops, brain/keyboard filter failure.

Nope, ganked the idea from you!

Date: 2004-06-21 12:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mcroft.livejournal.com
So, there's a blog entry that was running around in my head about how I got the idea to do this from a friend whose journal is friends-only and with whom I share only one common friend and how I liked the idea and my friends really responded to it, but I didn't want to send them all off to his journal where they couldn't read his stuff and how my friends had re-experienced the "hey, I'll google up a translator, there must be one on the web!" experience I had on his LJ, which was the point for me and how a large number of my friends ran with it and that made me happy, but how I sorta pissed [livejournal.com profile] mrkamikazi off when I didn't mean to and that made me sad but it seemed like it would be one of those rambling blog posts with a paragraph of streams of conciouslessness without a period in it and I decided not to post it.

Re: Nope, ganked the idea from you!

Date: 2004-06-21 12:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrkamikaze.livejournal.com
Awww...yer swell.
And I'm not pissed.
Although I was thinking or issuing a [livejournal.com profile] mrkamikaze Lj alert...

Re: Nope, ganked the idea from you!

Date: 2004-06-21 03:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greeneyes-rpi.livejournal.com
Yeah, what he said!


(Not like I can read [livejournal.com profile] mrkamikazi or anything...and it looks cool too!)

Re: Nope, ganked the idea from you!

Date: 2004-06-21 07:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mcroft.livejournal.com
Mr. K is the guitarista for the Flying Fish Sailors, the host of the KPFT technology call-in show, and writes a tech column for The Chronk. When I was a TRF employee, I snored in a tent near his.

He is, AFAICT, cool.

Re: Nope, ganked the idea from you!

Date: 2004-06-22 06:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greeneyes-rpi.livejournal.com
Do you mean Technology Bytes? I love that show!

(and the FFS ain't so bad either) ;)

Re: Nope, ganked the idea from you!

Date: 2004-06-22 12:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mcroft.livejournal.com
Yep, Technology Bites. While Jay and Ray rhyme, he is not the host of "The Prison Show", unless you are considering poor souls trapped with Windows 98...

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Date: 2004-06-21 05:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] princejvstin.livejournal.com
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Date: 2004-06-21 05:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mcroft.livejournal.com
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